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Topik: Indonesia GPS
Penulis :  QmQ

(GMT) 21:59:44 Jumat, 18 Juli 2008 
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Welcome everybody,

Please forgive me writing in English but I come from far away and cannot speak your language. I hope this is not a problem.

I've registered at this site because it seems to be connected with the topic of GPS navigation. I must say registering was fun - no idea what the confirmation email means

Anyhow, I need your help. I'm going to visit Indonesia quite soon and I'd like to take my GPS navigation with me. It will probably be very useful. However the software I'm using does not have any map of this region. I've searched a bit and it seems that the only reasonable solution is to use one of your local GPS programs. Could anyone tell me where I can one of those? Or possibly just a name so I can search for it.
Or maybe you use one of the international ones that have maps of more than one country - if so please tell me the name of the program. The only program I've found is from Garmin but I cannot find any details of the supported region...

Actually, anything will be helpful - I'm quite stuck.

I also apologize if this is not the correct category - I don't know what 'perangkat' means :P

If it's important - I will be traveling to Jakarta and later to Semarang. So I'm looking for maps of Java and possibly the neighbor islands as well.

Thank you very much for help and once again, sorry for writing in English.

Best regards,
QmQ
 

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mbon, (GMT) 17:48:03 Senin, 21 Juli 2008)

 
yep, let's try to have this forum as clean as possible. because I love this site! we can share interesting POIs and that suits my hobby which is travel!

hence, we'll try to help in legal way

anyway, can anyone help me here :
http://navigasi.net/gofrm.php?c=FG&t=629

pleaseee :'(

trek, (GMT) 02:06:44 Selasa, 22 Juli 2008)

 
@Pak Jack:
Apology humbly accepted Though I am not a frequent poster here or there (id-gps), I recognized the some of the names who are really knowledgeable and helpful persons like you. I guess some of you might know me as well, more than you realize. At the end of Pak Bambang's thread that he gave previously (http://navigasi.net/gofrm.php?t=570&c=FG), my wild guess is that he might have been referring to Ozi Hong Kong map that I made and gave him a while ago through gmail. Is that right Pak Bambang?

Back to the topic. QmQ, I happen to own raster maps (trekbuddy, oziexplorer) of Jakarta and Semarang that I calibrated myself. They are may be not as accurate as the garmin's vector map, but I believe they are good enough. As a matter of fact, the Gunther's Jakarta raster map might have more details than the garmin map for some parts of Jakarta, and actually for the purpose of browsing and off-road navigation they are more appropriate I think. Semarang map has considerably less detail than garmin's.

The main drawback of raster map programs like Ozi and trekbuddy is that they can't guide you from point A to B as well as vector map program like garmin can. It shows where you are on the map, along with other features. Other trekbuddy's strong point is flexible track logging in nmea and gpx. I use that feature more often than garmin mobile xt for that purpose, as gmxt (S60V3 version) often out of the blue resets itself back to the default setting, losing all the precious data. If you are interested, you can get trekbuddy, a freeware midp 2.0 java program, here: http://www.linuxtechs.net/kruch/tb/forum/index.php , and the maps here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=53a8b9398023ea637069484bded33bcdbdeac9aac294e878

I have no idea how well trekbuddy runs on PPC devices like yours, so please browse the forum and wiki for more information.

bsuroyo, (GMT) 04:10:40 Selasa, 22 Juli 2008)

 
@pak Trek: AHHHH... So you are the person whom have sent me OziExplorer maps for Jakarta, SG, and HK before! Sorry for not recognizing it as you have use different IDs here and there... ;-)

Thank you pak Trek... Your maps is really useful when I use it to walk around cities as it enable me to look out at my surrounding environment (building names, POI names, etc.).

@QmQ: yes, you can create your own map in Garmin format. In fact, a lot of map developer community around the world release their own free map in Garmin format (i.e. MalSing, and Navigasi.Net map developer team here). I have also heard that NavNet map developer team plan to release the major upgrade of Indonesia free map on Aug 17 - Indonesia independence day!

I am actually a newbie in GPS related things and still learning, as I've just use GPS less than a year now. I was swear to myself to buy a GPS unit after got lost more than an hour in the middle of the night during my vacation last December... ;-)

Basically, GPS software for PPC device can be categorized into:
1. Routable GPS software: with a proper vector/routable map should enable you to navigate from point A to B, or searching its database content (i.e. hotel, restaurant, fuel station, etc.). Mostly use for car navigation and traveling, example: GMXT, NusaMap, MioMap, etc.
2. Non-routable GPS software: with a proper raster map is very useful to know our exact position, and look out for details surrounding. Mostly use in pedestrian, outdoor activity beyond the normal road boundaries, hiking, trekking, etc. Example: OziExplorer, GPSTuner, etc.

Both software have its own merits and advantages, but you can always install both in your PPC and use it depending on your requirements/circumstances.
If you need navigation/guideline function for your upcoming travel, then I still believe the most cost effective solution for you is:
- GMXT software w/ City Navigator Indonesia map, to be use in PPC paired w/ any GPS devices.
- GMXT software w/ NavNet Indonesia free map, to be use in PPC paired w/ Garmin GPS device.

regards,,,

mbon, (GMT) 08:10:59 Selasa, 22 Juli 2008)

 
@bsuroyo:
u know what, actually the reason I bought a PDA with GPS is the same as you lol. I got lost when I want to go back to my home in Kebon Jeruk from Kelapa Gading. That night was quite dark, and I'm not familiar in Kelapa Gading's area, especially toll road. and you know what, I was driving at around 120km/h at that night and I missed the turning point!

Then what surprised me is that there is a sign that said "Bogor in few kms" lol I was scared to death because I have never ever went to bogor by myself, I always ask my parents to guide me and I'm not so good in memorizing roads haha. luckily there's a nice people in the toll exit that give me a very good direction. but again I got trauma from this incident. now when I had GPS, I can go home without wasting my time finding the way home haha (although sometimes GPS misled me haha)..

regards

QmQ, (GMT) 14:58:29 Selasa, 22 Juli 2008)

 
Damn, you people are helpful

So, from now on we'll have to divide this topic into two 'threads':

1. Vector map navigation because I would like to be able to (if need be) find a hotel or (probably this is the main usage) find some POI. By the way: did I mention I'm having a two day stay in Jakarta? This is the place I'd need GPS with POIs the most - don't want to get lost in such a big city Besides - there's lots to see

So, in this 'vector thread' I'd like to clarify:
I will be using my PDA + GMXT with:

City Navigator Indonesia ($) + my GPS device
vs
NavNet Indonesia + Garmin GPS device ($)

The ($) means that I understand that I need to buy that item. So now: which map is better/more detailed? I must say that I'd much prefer more interesting POIs than a super-detailed map. Also those POIs should be in English...

=================

2. Raster map navigation because I will mostly be traveling by foot and mostly in more rural areas than Jakarta. And since you say those maps are much better for this purposes I'm interested in having both solutions installed

I know TrekBuddy - I have it on my mobile
But on the PDA I'd like to install something with more "power". So I need to choose:
a) software - do you recommend OziExplorerCE?
b) maps - on that site from trek I see 4 Indonesia maps (2 of them with Bali) - which ones should I get?


Thank you all for your help! I didn't expect this much

Best regards,
QmQ

bsuroyo, (GMT) 01:01:28 Rabu, 23 Juli 2008)

 
hi QmQ, to answer your questions:

1. IMO, Garmin City Navigator Indonesia map is quite details in big cities, Navnet free map has more coverage in small cities/rural areas. CN Indonesia map also has more POIs comparing w/ current NavNet map. However, there is a plan to release major upgrade of NavNet map in August (thanks to Navigasi.Net website owner whom also coordinating the works of 65+ independent map developers across Indonesia). No need to worry, POIs are in English... ;-)

2. I personally use OziExplorerCE in my PPC (and GMXT for navigation), as this software is easy to use and has a lot of really useful features. Also, it is relatively easy to create your own map to be use for OziExplorer (compare to create your own map in Garmin format).

If you need Jakarta and Semarang maps for OziCE, pls PM to bsuroyo(at)yahoo.com. I'll provide the link later on where you can download it as per your convenience. Credit should goes to Trek whom originally created this map, I just merely convert it from OziExplorer (PC format) to OziExplorerCE (PPC format).

trek, (GMT) 03:17:24 Rabu, 23 Juli 2008)

 
Pak Bambang,
Yes I use different IDs here, there, and everywhere because just as Shakespeare wrote in Romeo and Juliet: "What's in a name?" I use RoboForm to manage all my logins detail that allows me to choose nicknames liberally on this cyberspace without problems. And I am so happy to hear the maps are useful for you

QmQ, I think we love the opportunity to help a fellow polish like you, trying to give something in return, because polish are one of the most prominent group of people when it comes to third party garmin software. Cgpsmapper, gmaptool, just to mention a few, developed by the polish, are indispensable tools for gps hobbyst and professional alike. Or perhaps it may be just pure Indonesian hospitality, I don't know

I have no idea how good is the new navigasi.net's free map as it isn't being released yet. Perhaps this site's owner who also happens to be the lead developer and coordinator, Pak Buyung (aka Silhouette), can answer that question. City Navigator Indonesia NT, or the larger CN Southeastern Asia NT are very good, not perfect, but excellent still. I can testify for the latter as I have recently travelled to Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, KL and surrounding areas, Penang, Singapore and Hong Kong. For Malaysia and Singapore though, the free malsingmaps (http://www.malsingmaps.com/portal/) is better.

I'd say raster map is excellent for freeform, non-routing navigation, but gmxt in pedestrian routing mode is also very pleasant to use if you often travel by foot in city or rural areas where there are roads. So I agree, by using both kind, more 'power' to you

Although I have never use it before, I believe OziExplorerCE must be an excellent program if you willing to shell out some Zloty in order to use it without limitation of the evaluation version. I see Pak Bambang has already addressed the question.

Those files on my MediaFire are trekbuddy maps. I'm just finishing uploading the ozi version of Jakarta and Semarang for you, please check them out again. In case you don't already know, those files are in splitted RAR format which should be extracted using winrar or similar utility. Only extract the first part, and the content of all parts will be extracted too.

On final note, I think Pak Bambang was referring to the older ozi map of Semarang which wasn't very good nor too accurate. The one I've just uploaded is newer and better map from other publisher. I believe I can make a new and more accurate map of Jakarta by the end of this year. Right now though, I'm still busy finishing the new Bandung map, which should be ready by the end of next month.

KreatifAkuisisi, (GMT) 05:05:22 Rabu, 23 Juli 2008)

 
Wow, you guys are very thoughtfull yourself.
Yep...We can not be thankfull enough to Buyung and Stan.
Our best gratitude to Polish in GPS way
As somebody has broken out the secret day of release, map developer is still working hard... hand in hand to make it happen.
I would love to try out your OziMap (Trek and Bambang)when i have a better chance,especially Bandung where i live.

GBU all

mbon, (GMT) 09:33:28 Rabu, 23 Juli 2008)

 
Hi all, QmQ it's a pleasure for us to help others, especially those who are in need. anyway, I also want to thank trek and bsuroyo for the OziMap. I haven't try it though, but I will someday. anyway, QmQ have fun in Indonesia. Hope you enjoy your visit here. if you have any other problems just post it here, we are all here to help as much as we could .

sorry that I can't upload any map as I'm a newbie in GPS . anyway, I'm looking forward for the new NavNet map! thankyou guys

bsuroyo, (GMT) 10:32:02 Rabu, 23 Juli 2008)

 
@pak Trek: if it's not too much hassle for you, may I request the link for the updated Semarang city Ozi map and later Bandung map (once you've finished it)? Thanks in advance, pak...

Bandung is my 2nd beloved city (after Jakarta), as I used to live there for 5 years (took my university degree) - and would love to go hiking/trekking in Puncrut, Cihideung, or Lembang together w/ my guide Mr. OziCE! ;-)

mbon, (GMT) 11:30:14 Rabu, 23 Juli 2008)

 
@pak Bsuroyo, i think the link is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=53a8b9398023ea637069484bded33bcdbdeac9aac294e878

im not sure which one though

mbon, (GMT) 11:30:34 Rabu, 23 Juli 2008)

 
er btw, it's pak trek's website, so all credit goes to him

QmQ, (GMT) 17:41:43 Kamis, 24 Juli 2008)

 
Well, maybe some GPS programs come from Poland but I can't even name one. Anyway thank you all very much

To the topic:
I've downloaded Ozi maps of Jakarta and Semarang from pak (what's pak? like 'mister' or something?) trek's website. Now I need OziCE and there's a surprise here - I thought it's freeware :P Anyway, I can't find anywhere on their website a list of features that are missing/limited in the trial version... What are those?

About the 'routable' maps - where can I see this NavNet map?

trek, (GMT) 04:19:01 Jumat, 25 Juli 2008)

 
@bsuroyo, mbon was right about the link. I've uploaded most of my trekbuddy maps to MediaFire, sans most of the corresponding ozi maps because of my bandwith consideration, ever since a joker had been hijacking petagps@gmail account by changing its password.

The new Bandung map is about 70% done. A month from now should be ample time for me to complete the project in my free time. Its calibration's accuracy is satisfactory, which is much better than my previous effort with PJBR. It is rather surprising really, given that the consistency between pages are not the best, i.e. compared to Surabaya map from the same publisher. I'll let you guys know when it's ready by announcing it here.

QmQ, "pak" (short form of bapak) means mr./sir/father depending on the circumstances, and "bu" (ibu) means ms./madam/mother, are words used to address someone in more polite and formal way. Other important words are "di mana (where is) jalan (street) xxx?", "belok" (turn), "kiri" (left), "kanan" (right), "lurus" (straight), just in case when your gps' battery runs out

From http://www.oziexplorer3.com/ozice/oziexplorerce1.html:

"These are the limitations of the Evaluation version.

* Moving map mode (communication with the GPS) will only remain active for 20 mins each time OziExplorerCE is run and then 10 mins after that (until restarted). At the end of these times a dialog will be displayed and communication will be deactivated.

* A watermark using the text "Demo Version" will be drawn onto the map."

I believe the old, non-routable(?) maps are here: http://www.navigasi.net/goptd.php. I've never tried them myself though, would rather wait for the upcoming map.

Btw, if you haven't know it already, I found wikitravel is an invaluable site to know more about the cities you're planning to visit:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Jakarta
http://wikitravel.org/en/Semarang

Wishing you to have a safe journey and pleasant stay here

bsuroyo, (GMT) 06:00:59 Jumat, 25 Juli 2008)

 
@Trek: Thanks... I'll surely visit your Mediafire repository map files later. Thanks in advance for spending your time/effort for Bandung map - will persuade pak Jack [Kreatif] to try it as well when the map is completed, hue..he..he..

@QmQ: C'mon man... In the beginning of this thread you've never heard about a free GPS software, and now you're expecting all GPS software to be free... (teasin' mode ON) ;-)

Seriously, I think the admission/registration fee is well worth it if your're going to use it regularly. Anyway, you can install the demo version first, and decided later on whether it would be useful for you...

Wishing you a safe trip and pleasant stay in Jakarta and Semarang on your upcoming travel...

bsuroyo, (GMT) 08:43:40 Jumat, 25 Juli 2008)

 
@mbon: Thanks... I should mention (again) that all maps in the Mediafire link above were created by Trek. I am just a grateful user of his maps...

@QmQ: pls PM me at bsuroyo(at)yahoo.com if you're going to test your OziCE and would like to have Trek's map in OziCE format (so you do not have to convert it by yourself). I've collected from Trek Ozi maps of Jakarta, Semarang, Malang, Surabaya, Singapore, and HK now.

mbon, (GMT) 11:28:26 Jumat, 25 Juli 2008)

 
@bsuroyo, no worries pak bsuroyo a pleasure to help a friend . anyway do you think it's possible to run garmin mobile XT on WinCE? because I found a discussion thread on pda4x and they are struggling in finding a way to successfully run garmin mobile XT on winCE 5.

If there's an emulator of WM for WinCE, there might be a hope

KreatifAkuisisi, (GMT) 15:45:08 Jumat, 25 Juli 2008)

 
I supposed there are going to be alot of missing dll files.
An emulator will slow it down too much,imo.
Somebody might get hurt really hard though...if there is an unofficial WinCE version around.
If there are enough people asking for such version through their sites, hopefully big daddy G might consider to make one for all of us.
BTW,What device are u going to make it run?

QmQ, (GMT) 18:16:08 Jumat, 25 Juli 2008)

 
@bsuroyo
OK, PM sent. And about software - I meant the routable ones in the beginning

@trek
Thanks for the tiny language tutorial - will certainly be useful
About wikitravel - I know and it's amazing

And about the map - well, I just hope I'll get to use it when I go

Must take a look into GMXT now... :P

mbon, (GMT) 19:03:13 Jumat, 25 Juli 2008)

 
@Kreatif Akuisisi,
Yea but there are some people out there managed to get garmin mobile XT to run on their WinCE devices. Well I was just wondering because I was thinking of buying cheap, made in China GPS navigation that is running Windows CE 4.2 or 5 like in this site:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-3-5-GPS-AU-US-MAP-SAT-NAV-MP4-MP3-Free-Gift-E610-03_W0QQitemZ280249620220QQihZ018QQcategoryZ34288QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Because I'm still a student so I don't have the budget to buy the GPS device :'(,

anyway, here is the link of the site that are discussing about running garmin mobile XT on their PNA (Personal Navigation Assistant?): http://www.pda4x.com/read.php?tid=65974
again you are right, many people there gave up because they can't find the required dll. but some managed to launch it at the end of the thread. they haven't share the info of where they got their dll files though.

anyway, here's another link showing that a person is able to run a garmin mobile XT on a cheap chinese PNA: http://zolee-ka.uw.hu/others/garminxtonpna.htm

hope somebody here might be interested in discussing this

regards,
Mbon

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